| Re: Re: Ubuntu
Oct 10 2010 on group No Ubuntu Users Allowed! |
No, man, you would end up in exactly the same place.
Say I take a Ubuntu server install, load it onto my computer, apt-get myself a gnome desktop, and set up GDM, grub, etc. and the theme, just the way I like it, I would have one system. If were then to take a Debian Testing install, load that onto my computer, uncheck the "Desktop Environment" during install, and apt-get myself a gnome desktop, set up GDM, grub and all that, I would have exactly the same system (bar the distro name that's on the verbose boot prompt, and the "About GNOME" menu.) On the Ubuntu system, if I were to compile (or apt-get) gnome from the Debian repos, those systems would be indentical.
You're being extremely obsessive compulsive in this regard, especially when the name of the distro on the boot can be changed anyway. If I were to go one better, and uninstall apt, then compile yum from source, remove all references to Ubuntu (taking countless valuable hours of my life, that I will never get back), and replace them with Fedora, then compiled gnome from the Fedora packages, then placed it in front of you, I doubt even you would be able to tell the difference, without doing some extremely precise digging through the system.
Don't give me this bullshit about "I'd be able to tell right away because it's Ubuntu" or "I'd be able to tell by the computer's lag" because you can put that shit to bed right now. Take out some of the generic packages and system drivers, then delete the binary blobs, and you've got Debian Testing. Speed and stability (not necessarily packages, but you can use Debian's repos if you want as well).
You won't be able to watch movies, listen to music, or visit 90% of the sites on the web, but at least you'll be safe in the comfort that you are using free software, and are killer l33t in tw1ggz eyes.
In response to Rob (the Robin to this Batman - yes, I thought that was pretty clever as well), Canonical spends less on marketing and PR than Redhat and Novell do with their distributions. Unlike Redhat, I've never seen an advertisement for Ubuntu Server in any technology magazine, or on countless Linux related websites.
In 2006, Redhat spent a total of 4.6% of their annual revenue for that year ($1.1 billion US) on advertising, compared to Microsoft's 2.8% (to clear this up 2.8% from Microsoft's revenue, compared to 4.6% from Redhat's is night and day). Redhat's advertising spending for that year is equal to around $23 million US. Since then, Redhat's revenue has since dropped to a rather dismal $768 million US in four years.
Canonical's annual revenue is a microscopic $30 million (this is for 2010). Even if they were to spend a total of 50% of that revenue on so called PR (which would be a complete waste of money, and extremely unprofessional), it would only equal a total of $15 million US.
I used information from the following links to put this together: (yes, gentlemen, I actually research my facts)
http://saviorodrigues.wordpress.com/2006/12/07/obvious-untruths-open-source-advertising-not-necessary/
http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2006/earnings_2006q4.html
http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2010/Q4FY10.html
A total of two minutes of Google search time. |
|  | | Re: Re: The move towards M$ 2.0
Oct 10 2010 on group No Ubuntu Users Allowed! |
How else are they supposed to relate the features that the operating system has without saying it's name?
"Multimedia made easy, with the GNU/Linux based software distribution in question."
"The GNU/Linux based software distribution in question is packed full of fun, productive applications such as Kontact for email, the powerful Openoffice suite for documents and office presentations, the exciting and revolutionary Amarok media player, and much, much more. We're sure you'll enjoy working and playing with the GNU/Linux based software distribution in question!"
While Kubuntu only mentions KDE twice, they go onto explain a number of KDE and qt related programs, two of which I mentioned above (disclaimer: I'm well aware that Openoffice is not part of the KDE compilation or Qt).
If you visit the OpenSUSE 11.3 portal, you will find that in the total article, they also mention KDE a total of 2 times:
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:11.3
However, like the Kubuntu link, they mention, most of the applications that are included with it, most of which are related to KDE or Qt.
If we look at Kubuntu's home page, they make a total mention of KDE twice (however make reference a number of KDE related features, such as Plasma), compared with OpenSUSE's one, and no mention of things such as Plasma.
Kubuntu also mentions that it is based on Debian, and the Linux kernel, and supplies a link to the following:
- The KDE home (kde.org)
- The Plasma Workspace page (kde.org/workspaces/)
- The Linux kernel home (kernel.org)
- The Debian home (debian.org)
- The Ubuntu home (well, since you guys all have such a hard-on for Ubuntu, my guess is I don't have to post a link).
(You can see these links for yourself at http://www.kubuntu.org/)
So, in short, Kubuntu is hardly taking credit for anything, besides the distribution in question, however they do not mention once that they (or Canonical) are responsible for the software that is included in it.
They do however mention that it is "...built by a worldwide team of expert developers." but this does not necessarily mean the Kubuntu developers or Canonical, but rather the KDE, Openoffice, etc. developers as well as the Kubuntu developers.
By the way, the reason I chose OpenSUSE is because it is most commonly compared to Ubuntu in terms of home computing (which is Ubuntu's target userbase).
Hope this information was helpful to you guys. :) |
| | | Re: The move towards M$ 2.0
Oct 10 2010 on group No Ubuntu Users Allowed! |
First of all, Bill Gates no longer works at MS. Please stop trying to sound witty by quoting various comments found in online news articles from six years ago. The man you are thinking of is Steve Baldmer (and yes, that was a pun, no need to start the grammar gestapo shit here)
Secondly, this package is installed only in OEM installs of Ubuntu - yes, it tells you that in the link you posted, whoop-de-do-dah, gentlemen. Break out the pitchforks, it's time for an old fashioned boycott.
If I may clear up some of these murky "facts" in a few quick points:
- You are allowed to opt-out of this at anytime.
- The command to remove this package is included in the documentation of pretty much anything related to the package in question.
- It simply sends a couple of lines of anonymous data to the developers, to see how many people were satisfied with their operating system choice, over Windows, at purchase time.
- If you are on an OEM system with the package installed, you can obtain the source with a simple:
sudo apt-get source canonical-census
- The package is only installed on OEM systems that use the OEM install (rather than the traditional medium), and since that pretty much narrows down the selection to just Dell (Commodore USA doesn't count as they're a minor niche market), who tracks all of their Windows OEM installs anyway, I'd say those statistics mean jack.
What incredible news. Mr Ballmer and Mr Jobs would certainly be...minorly disapointed that they were outdone by such an unexpectedly evil corporation as Canonical, who also burn orphanages and kill kittens when playing Moon golf with their hyper exclusive Mega Evil Buddies Club, and sipping a cold one with Gates and Wozniak (why not? while we're on the topic of people who no longer work at corporations but are taking credit for said corporation's recent evil doings* anyway?)
In response to Rob's comment: how exactly is measuring usage statistics supposed to be making them money? Please explain, as we're obviously not all as gifted as you when it comes to logic and facts.
For those at all curious (and can read python), feel free to get the real facts™ about the source code, here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/canonical-census/0.1
(see downloads, canonical-census*.tar.gz at the bottom of the page)
* - I agree that Gates is evil. Wozniak however is not. The Apple II was awesome. My first computer was an Apple IIgs, so to give it the post-retro "evil" label because of the iPhone is just retarded. |
| | | Re: Re: lol
Oct 10 2010 on group No Ubuntu Users Allowed! |
This.
Seriously dude, I think you need to like get out more. They have this awesome thing called sunlight now. Some Vitamin E might do you some good.
Ubuntu may not be my most favourite distro, but we can't all be SUPERRAWSUML33T~HAXXORZZ!!1!0! who spend all their time on 4chan and maintaining their shitty blogs that only like three people read regularly.
And as for all these comments about Canonical only being interested in the $$$ (well actually they were coming from just that one guy, who obviously has social interaction issues as well), why are Red Hat and Novell listed as Fortune 500 companies?
Welcome to the real world dude, money talks, people walk. That's pretty much 99.9% of the IT industry. Even Torvalds is a multi-millionaire. It's pointless douche bags such as yourself that GNU/Linux will always be considered 1%.
Have a wonderful day. |
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