|  | | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: irc noobs.
Jul 6 2010 on group |
hmm, Linux Mint based on Debian testing - an interesting experiment, but nothing more. this still does not make me think that Debian testing is "it". imho, if you rely on latest drivers/features because you have brand new hardware, Debian unstable or your beloved Ubuntu might still be a better choice ...
according to the blogpost you have linked, linux mint is not switching the base (ubuntu) the debian based project is just some sort of experiment, and if it proves successful they will continue to maintain it.
maybe debian testing has changed in the last years, and if you are lucky, you will not run into many problems with it, but you will still not get the stability and securtiy fixes like in debian stable nor you will have the latest drivers/features as you will get with debian unstable.
so i see still no reason to use testing.
as with any distro, the perfect choice is always a matter of what you need/want. you would never use testing or unstable if you want to build a rocksolid server. if testing has really improved so much in the past years, it might be usefull somehow, but in my experience the quality of testing varies a lot, especially when its closed to release, it maybe quite good, but a short time after the stable release it's almost the same as unstable and sometimes even worse. |
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Jun 21 2010 on group |
sorry i am still right when i state, as i did before:
"TESTING is targeted only to developers who are preparing for the next stable release."
This means the purpose of testing is to become the next stable release, AND NOT that this is the recommended debian version for all developers, i never wrote that!
btw. i am still waiting for your arguments, why you would recommend testing to users? |
| | | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: irc noobs.
Jun 21 2010 on group |
well, using debian for more than ten years now i have spent a lot time reading debian sites and collecting daily experience, and i understand the meaning of the words you have quoted from the debian website. there is no word about it in the whole text which says that testing is recommended in any way.
i say it again, if you want a secure and stable OS use debian STABLE.
"testing" as the name itselfs says (!!!) is for testing purposes, this is the collection of packages wich will become the next stable release.
other than with unstable where packages hit the repositories quite frequently the packages at testing are following a much more critical process and it may take a very long time before a fixed package hits the repositories.
Maybe you should have read this:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html
The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ
Chapter 3 - Choosing a Debian distribution.
especially have a look at:
3.1.6 You are talking about testing being broken. What do you mean by that?
or
3.1.7 Why is it that testing could be broken for months? Wont the fixes introduced in unstable flow directly down into testing?
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i think, if you want to contribute with bugreports, then "testing" may be the way you go. if you want to look how the next release "may look like" short time before the release than testing may be worth a look but it is very likely that you will run into problems, because (it may have less bug than unstable but) it will have bugs and they might not be ironed out very quickly.
if i care about stability and security, why should i use anything else than stable?
recommending "testing" as you do is like recommending "troubles", and this is what you do to people you "hate".
all you wrote was dumb insulting and blind quoting, how about switching your mind on, and give some useful facts or arguments on what you state. |
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Jun 21 2010 on group |
omg, what is your problem?
did i say that there are unstable images for download?
i did say that STABLE is the official recommended debian version, and yes there are iso-images to download for STABLE.
and i have said that unstable is for the more experinced users.
if you do not know how to install debian sid, you should keep your hands off from unstable anyways. |
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Jun 18 2010 on group |
please STOP recommending debian testing to new users, this is completly nonsense, and shows that you actually know nothing about debian.
STABLE is the official recommended debian version (especially for new desktopusers and if stability and security is important for you!).
UNSTABLE is the official recommended debian version if you want cutting-edge, latest software with all the newest features AND if you are a little bit experienced, so that you are able to fix/workaround some bugs/problems that will occur.
TESTING is targeted only to developers who are preparing for the next stable release. testing is full of bugs which will NOT BE FIXED quickly as with unstable which gets updates quite frequently. testing updates for broken packages can be in a stale state for months! so TESTING IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR ORDINARY USERS!
go and read some Debian Documentation/FAQs before you do any recommendations!
and please start your ubuntu-hate group and start flaming there. |
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Apr 15 2010 on group Tired of Ubuntu Wallpapers! |
well i am NOT a fan of sexistic wallpapers..., but this group really sucks.
being a linux user long before ubuntu came out, i still do not understand this kiddie-flamewars against ubuntu going on here.
slogans like "death to mark shuttleworth" make me really upset. this does not fit into an open minded community. this is just plain, stupid and destrucive aggression.
one of the good things with free software is the co-existence of many different distributions, which lets us, the users, have a choice! so what's next? death to all OS's except "TwiggsBSD Y" ? -No! that's silly and fascist, not what i (and many others) want.
i really hope your mind will open some day, and so far have fun with your FreeBSD, with lots of (half or fully) naked "not-ubuntu-branded" girls on your desktop wallpaper and loginscreens! |
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