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A central repository for KDE configuration data?

Posted by Yaba on Jan 2 2005

Yaba
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Using Elektra would be great (elektra.sf.net)	37%
A new registry database like implementation	3%
All config data should be in a fast database	9%
One central XML file.	7%
A new, but tighter organization of text files.	10%
Various text files are good enough.	3%
The current implementation below ~/.kde is best.	32%

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Elektra

by Deciare on: Jan 5 2005

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Deciare

My original vote was for keeping text files as they are since their formats are already understood, but changed my vote to Elektra instead. Why? Because:

Elektra still keeps everything in text files

key/value pairs are still kept in separate files on the filesystem

since every app's config files will have roughly the same format, it'll be much easier to learn

any program can access any other program's config data easily as long as it has the right access permissions (easier to coordinate processes that depend on each other)

It sounds like a better idea each time I think about it.

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~/.kde is good but..

by sparxxxie on: Jan 5 2005

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sparxxxie

The current ~/.kde config structure is pretty good, although, it needs some organization. I truely believe that the configuration files should be organized by folder instead of file.

Keep everything centralized.

Don't have: ~/.kde/share/apps or ~/.kde/share/config

Why the "share" folder? I don't get it. You don't want to share your files with anyone...it's your home directory.

Why not centralize application folders?

~/.kde/apps/kmail/app files
~/.kde/apps/kmail/config files

If you're looking for app files or config files for a program, you shouldn't have to start off thinking "which folder, apps or config?" Then you have to search around for the program. It should be standardized so that if you're looking for something, you start off in a kmail folder where everything should be placed.

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Re: ~/.kde is good but..

by MaxAuthority on: Jan 7 2005

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MaxAuthority

I also voted for the current ~/.kde implementation, and also think you're right about even simplifiying the structure, since 'share' is just a useless subfolder imho.

Elektra might be good, but if I understood the system correctly, you would have a file for each key/value pair. This makes it harder to edit some settings at the same time, since you can't just:
vim ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc

but need to 'echo' a new value for each key, which is more work if you want to change 5 settings at the same time.

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Re: Re: ~/.kde is good but..

by wijnhout on: Jan 7 2005

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You're wrong about elektra. Elektra can export the key/values pairs to an XML file, which you can edit by hand. Then you can import the changes.

best,
Jeroen

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Re: Re: Re: ~/.kde is good but..

by MaxAuthority on: Jan 8 2005

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MaxAuthority

Well, I dislike xml files for configuration anyways, since it's much more difficult to edit them by hand than plain text files.

and if it even requires exporting and importing, i really don't see the advantage of elektra over plain text files in this regard.

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Re: ~/.kde is good but..

by peroxid on: Jan 7 2005

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peroxid

the ~/.kde/share is not so stupid. I believe it comes from the implementation. KDE looks for files in folder1/share, folder2/share folder3/share ... etc. Say folder1=/usr - folder2=/usr/local - folder3 =~/.kde .. etc.

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Re: Re: ~/.kde is good but..

by sparxxxie on: Jan 8 2005

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sparxxxie

I'm not saying the current system is stupid, or that I don't know how it works.

I was talking on an organizational level, while taking in mind what everyday users look for.

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Elektra

by Urs on: Jan 5 2005

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Urs

I have voted for Elektra.
I think, that it is good.

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Per App Type Configs

by hazza on: Jan 7 2005

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hazza
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It would be nice if we could have a shared config between applications with common functionality. ie. kmail and evolution using the same configuration database. For flexibility have a multiple profile system which would allow different applications to use their own profile.

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elektra

by peroxid on: Jan 7 2005

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peroxid

Why?

* It exists now -> not reinventing the wheel
* It's toolkit agnostic -> with a bit of good look more apps will use it -> less memory usage
* It's simple
* It's light - even init can use it
* It conserves the good old unix tradition of plain text conf files vi-editables
* There are patches to make other software to work with it
* did I say it already exists and works?

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im gonna stop using

by The-Q on: Jan 8 2005

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The-Q

i think elektra is a really bad solution.
i wont use kde if it will use elektra. unacceptable.

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Re: im gonna stop us

by scobiej on: Jan 8 2005

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scobiej

Great. Don't bother giving a reason.

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Re: Re: im gonna sto

by nightwriter on: Jan 9 2005

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what I'd like to know is. Give me a reason Y you need to change? What's broken, What can't be fixed. Or perhaps it isn't Windowy enough for you. I've been hoping and hoping someone would explain why a change is needed. Other than "looks cool" "I think it would be more elegant" or any of the other reasons why gnome exists.

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A central repository for KDE configuration data?

Elektra

~/.kde is good but..

Re: ~/.kde is good but..

Re: Re: ~/.kde is good but..

You're wrong about elektra. Elektra can export the key/values pairs to an XML file, which you can edit by hand. Then you can import the changes. best, Jeroen

Re: Re: Re: ~/.kde is good but..

Well, I dislike xml files for configuration anyways, since it's much more difficult to edit them by hand than plain text files. and if it even requires exporting and importing, i really don't see the advantage of elektra over plain text files in this regard.

Re: ~/.kde is good but..

the ~/.kde/share is not so stupid. I believe it comes from the implementation. KDE looks for files in folder1/share, folder2/share folder3/share ... etc. Say folder1=/usr - folder2=/usr/local - folder3 =~/.kde .. etc.

Re: Re: ~/.kde is good but..

I'm not saying the current system is stupid, or that I don't know how it works. I was talking on an organizational level, while taking in mind what everyday users look for.

Elektra

I have voted for Elektra. I think, that it is good.

Per App Type Configs

It would be nice if we could have a shared config between applications with common functionality. ie. kmail and evolution using the same configuration database. For flexibility have a multiple profile system which would allow different applications to use their own profile.

elektra

im gonna stop using

i think elektra is a really bad solution. i wont use kde if it will use elektra. unacceptable.

Re: im gonna stop us

Great. Don't bother giving a reason.

Re: Re: im gonna sto

You're wrong about elektra. Elektra can export the key/values pairs to an XML file, which you can edit by hand. Then you can import the changes.

best,
Jeroen

Well, I dislike xml files for configuration anyways, since it's much more difficult to edit them by hand than plain text files.

and if it even requires exporting and importing, i really don't see the advantage of elektra over plain text files in this regard.

I'm not saying the current system is stupid, or that I don't know how it works.

I was talking on an organizational level, while taking in mind what everyday users look for.

I have voted for Elektra.
I think, that it is good.

i think elektra is a really bad solution.
i wont use kde if it will use elektra. unacceptable.