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Description:	Gnome-look is for Gnome. Many distros use Gnome as their default desktop environment, and others have Gnome as an alternative. Gnome is generic, distro badges are not. Gnome-look.org is generic, Ubuntu-art.org is not. Keep people's choices open - don't use a distro brand as the focus of your artwork. If you do release a distro-specific version, consider an unbranded version for those who like the general look but don't use the same distro as you. The Unbranded Gnome group - supporting Gnome extras without the distro branding since 2008!
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nice

by Fri13 on: Jun 3 2008

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@iBBoard "But then you need an ontology of words to find "woods" when the user searches "forests" or else searching one won't find the other even if most users would consider them to be the same ;)"

(need to post new because system does not allow repley to current post)

There is no need to do search so complex to find ex.tag "woods" when searching using "forrest" tag. Because those are just tags and because the tag system works like wiki, those can be changed and merged at once.

So if 90% users use "woods" tag and 10% "forrest", forrest tag can be merged with "woords" so all is using "woods" if needed. And all can be checked by just filterin all with one tag to see can it be merged or not.

So there is no need to do code search function what would understad that when user types "AB" it should find "BA" and "ABA" too. That is the work what users do. What is done to help this, is to make autocomplete when entering more letters than 3 so when user types "for" it suggest "forrest" and "formula" example. Then in time, there WILL be tags similar to each other, and those just needs to be fixed by users itself. Not the system or not the original authos...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nice

by IBBoard on: Jun 3 2008

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Perhaps, but a few guys at work do various projects related to the semantics of words and their relations. One of the important things they've found and are working on is the understanding of text, including keyword identification.

The work I've seen includes having top-level generic words (e.g. "theme") and identifying that the more detailed multi-word phrases are a more specific sub-item (e.g. "gtk theme" or "pidgin screenlet theme"). In some ways it might not be useful as it could bring in results you don't want (the current reason I'm disliking Firefox 3's new all-in-one bar) but it does allow the specific (e.g. "beech" or "oak") to be generalised so as to find near-misses (e.g. "wood" or "wood grain").

It probably is all too complex to implement, but in the grand scheme of things it is the best and most useful way to go.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ni

by Fri13 on: Jun 5 2008

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http://taggalaxy.de/

The tag search should be easy as on that. So you can just click tags and they get added to list what will be your "search bucket" what will be used to find context what you search.

And the whole search function would only be extra for this current sub-categories. But used need to add tags example of GTK+ Themes. He adds GTK+ and Theme as separeted and then when someone search themes, he can just select "theme" and "gtk+" so he finds those.

It's should be keeped simple, and the community will guide the tag system to right direction.

So what is just needed, is tag support, nice taggin system (like on digiKam) and easy search function where you get autocomplete when you type tag names and the "tag bucket".

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Proposal (to clean brands)

by code933k on: Jun 5 2008

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As the purpose of this group is keeping the site clean of branded contents, I had good success in the latest days by asking politely some people to put their "exclusive" contents at http://www.ubuntu-art.org (well most artwork is candidate for that...)

(Of course it can be subjective) However, I think that joining forces could make this work meanwhile the site admin adopts some changes, instead of just commenting about it here.

PS:// I know there were some idiotic persons who refused to help in the past. Nowadays contributors are quite more receptive as I see it. Just look at the default page.

Cheers.

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Re: Proposal (to clean brands)

by code933k on: Jun 5 2008

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Damn! Forget what I have said. Users strike back ;)

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Re: Re: Proposal (to clean brands)

by IBBoard on: Jun 5 2008

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Just read what you posted to the Ubuntu Savannah item. At least he did seem willing to try. Shame the site decides it has to be on both! They do seem to be missing a "multi-item pack" category for items like that, though.

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Re: Re: Proposal (to clean bra

by Fri13 on: Jun 5 2008

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Actually that Ubuntu site is not so good for community, because it moves the Ubuntu more and more as "special "OS"" position. Here should be just a area for Ubuntu where they can include all artwork and then it could get filtered by those who dont like it, like screenshots and others can be filtered. But tags... it would be so nice just to set "No Ubuntu" / "No Distro specific" as filter...

At least we can try to communicate with artists and ask them to _move_ (not copy) them to right place ;-)

Please continue ;-)

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My thoughts...

by zmorganart on: Jul 3 2008

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I agree completely with the fact that this is GNOME-look.org. However, part of the problem is that people are unaware of the linux distributions button at the very top and that they don't even know the site exists. The system is totally flooded with Ubuntu primarily, but the actual Ubuntu section is a desert. Its hard for the designers to put their work on a site where it is less likely to be seen. There are exponentially more hits here.
In most cases, wallpapers are fairly generic (unless its packing a heron or something) and can easily be modified to fit the GNOME site, and I think people are more interested in overall effectiveness and visual interest of a wallpaper, rather than simply the fact that it says Ubuntu, Fedora, or OpenSuse.
To sum it up, I think that if you have a wallpaper you think should be branded (I love to add the GNOME symbol personally), great, but make sure that a distro version is not the primary download/preview and have any other versions that carry a distro brand link back to the appropriate site. This way, everyone wins. You can access your Ubuntu art from here, but it also helps move people to the correct section.
And as a side note, I run Ubuntu myself. I have nothing against it. But I'm sure the MANY other distro users would appreciate the sanity. Its understandable that you want to show off you distro branding on your desktop when you have just discovered the wonders of Linux, but please, keep it where it goes, or at least on the sideline.

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Re: My thoughts...

by IBBoard on: Jul 3 2008

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I know what you're saying about comparative visitors (especially when those links at the top aren't obvious as drop-down menus) but it ends up as a chicken and egg scenario - people post Ubuntu stuff on the Gnome site, so people visit the Gnome site more, so the Ubuntu stuff gets less traffic, so people post more Ubuntu stuff on the Gnome site because it gets more views, so more people visit the Gnome site more... The problem is that to get more people visiting the distro-specific one it needs more dedicated content, but to get that it needs more visitors, but to get those it needs more dedicated content...I don't know if you can win once it has started.

Some desktops are generic photos or wallpapers with a logo (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebAngel?content=84530, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Bay+plus+1280x800?content=84345, , etc). If they didn't have the logo they could go on hundreds of other wallpaper sites.

Then there's the ones that would struggle for a name and content if it wasn't for the distro name (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Purple+Ubuntu?content=84416, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Vs+Myspaze+Layout?content=84421, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+in+blue+flames?content=32803, etc)

I can see why people might want to show their distro branding a bit (although the closest I ever got was the Ximian monkey desktops from art.gnome.org, but I liked the Ximian icon style at the time and Ximian isn't a distro brand) but there's a difference between "great content with a bit of branding" and either "unrelated content that I slapped a logo on" or "content that is purely made of branding".

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Re: Re: My thoughts...

by zmorganart on: Jul 4 2008

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I think you caught my drift perfectly. The problem cannot possibly be solved any time soon, although by setting an example and encouraging others to do the same by some system such as linking back to the Ubuntu specific site, etc, I think it can eventually be controlled to some degree as viewers become more used to, or aware of, the Ubuntu section.
Another thing I want to hit on is that there are some users who would simply have the site staff move the content to the appropriate area by force. I don't really agree with this view as it would alienate/anger, to a certain degree, a significant portion of the uploaders. In other words, where this issue irritates many of the artists on this site, we have to remember that the people who post here don't consider themselves a problem, and in fact are contributing back to the community that has given so much to them. We have to remember that and be tactful as such. This is a user created problem and I believe it can be solved by users too, anyway the site staff have already accommodated us with sections for other distros. Besides, it sounds more like the Linux community for us to help ourselves.

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Re: Re: Re: My thoughts...

by IBBoard on: Jul 4 2008

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That depends how you handle it. If you're blunt and say "you've done it wrong, you're making work for us, put it in the right place next time" then you'll annoy/upset people. If you say "Thanks for the submission, but as it is themed with a specific distro then we've moved it to the dedicated distro site for you to help the community better find the content they want. If you create anything else that is similarly branded then please help us help the community and put it on the branded site" I think a lot of people would be more understanding and (eventually) realise that it's for the best.

You'll still get stubborn/stupid/ignorant ones who continue to do it anyway because "they know best" (or whatever) but it should be a fairly small number.

The problem is the training of people and the administration in the mean-time of moving content between sites, plus handling the "where did my content go?" messages.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: My thoughts...

by zmorganart on: Jul 4 2008

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You're right. If we have people go out and absolutely demean people for posting here, we'll go nowhere. If the content moves, it will be because the artists did too, and I don't want that. I simply want it on the right site. I think we should get a group [cough] of people to politely put a message like the one you just posted on the misplaced content. I don't think any manual moving will be necessary for quite a while, at least until people are used to the fact that they have their own site for their particular brand. Another step that could be taken is that when you create a really nice GNOME wallpaper, go ahead and make a Ubuntu version too, just keep it on the same post, make it the second download and preview, and make sure that it leads to a correct page for the content in the Ubuntu section. When people click the link and hit that area, it will serve dual purposes: it will show them the existence of the area, and it will ignite their curiosity so that they want to see what else may be posted there.

There is no realistic one step solution to this. It, for lack of a better metaphor, is like taking someone off of drugs. You need to ease them off. If you try to tackle the problem all at one time, it will generally not work.

For people to listen we need to:
1. Be tactful and kind, not rebuking or hateful.
2. Appreciative: we're glad they want to contribute! We just need them to place it in the appropriate area.
3. Set a good example. Show people to the correct site in your own personal work.

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